Clinton Campaign Responds to LA County Double Bubble Trouble
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Tags: Barack Obama, DTS, election, Hillary Clinton, Los Angeles, president
Tags: Barack Obama, DTS, election, Hillary Clinton, Los Angeles, president
(cross-posted on Calitics)
Here is the short story, if you are just coming to it right now. Chron:
Our lawyer Steve Reyes caught this over the weekend. This problem has existed for several cycles and was caught late. The Obama campaign held a conference call with reporters about this earlier today and one of our lawyers Steve Kauffman was on it. They are very much concerned, as we are that voter intent will not be determined. The law is pretty clear on this.
The Clinton Campaign on the other hand...
This is extremely disappointing. All the Courage Campaign has been asking for all along is that the Los Angeles County ROV finds a way to limit this from happening in the first place and then to make sure these votes are counted, if the word does not get out. That is all the Obama campaign is doing at this point. This is a localized problem to Los Angeles, but there are a lot of voters there who may have been effected.
This is all about determining voter intent. It is pretty clear when someone asks for a Democratic ballot and then votes for that person that they intended to vote for a Democrat. The second bubble is not necessary to determine intent. The ballot was designed this way to make vote tabulation faster, but the side effect is that voters are disenfranchised.
They need to count all of the votes.
Here is the short story, if you are just coming to it right now. Chron:
The Los Angeles system requires that decline-to-state voters not only ask specifically for a Democratic ballot - but also fill in a special bubble on the ballot specifically indicating their desire to vote on the Democratic presidential ticket. Failure to fill in the bubble voids their presidential ballot.
The Courage Campaign has contacted Los Angeles County election officials "demanding that they count the votes and that they inform voters of this 'bubble trouble,"' said Jacobs. "They finally agreed they didn't know how to count the votes."
Our lawyer Steve Reyes caught this over the weekend. This problem has existed for several cycles and was caught late. The Obama campaign held a conference call with reporters about this earlier today and one of our lawyers Steve Kauffman was on it. They are very much concerned, as we are that voter intent will not be determined. The law is pretty clear on this.
The Clinton Campaign on the other hand...
But Averell "Ace" Smith, campaign manager for California campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, said he is mystified by the Election Day complaints from the Obama team, since the rules for decline to state voters - specifically the requirement that request Democratic ballots - have been a matter of public record posted on the California Secretary of State's web site for months.
"Every California campaign has known the ground rules on this for three months," he said. "I can't imagine why they waited until 2 pm. on Election Day to wake up ... it strikes me as strange. If you wait until the last minute to complain, they must really be worried we're going to win."
"We've certainly worked with our voters for months and months" to educate them on the process, he said. "They're blaming other people for not having done their homework...this is nothing more than a cynical attempt to create confusion."
This is extremely disappointing. All the Courage Campaign has been asking for all along is that the Los Angeles County ROV finds a way to limit this from happening in the first place and then to make sure these votes are counted, if the word does not get out. That is all the Obama campaign is doing at this point. This is a localized problem to Los Angeles, but there are a lot of voters there who may have been effected.
This is all about determining voter intent. It is pretty clear when someone asks for a Democratic ballot and then votes for that person that they intended to vote for a Democrat. The second bubble is not necessary to determine intent. The ballot was designed this way to make vote tabulation faster, but the side effect is that voters are disenfranchised.
Kim Alexander, president of the California Voter Federation, a nonpartisan voter watchdog organization, said she believed that the LA County procedures represent "an unnecessary extra step" for voters.
"I understand why LA County does is, but I think there is the possibility that some voters will be unwittingly disenfranchised," though the county has chosen the system because it is more economical and enables them to count ballots faster, Alexander said.
And she said it could have major implications.
"It is a big deal in this election because California voters finally have a say in a presidential primary and LA is the state's largest voting district" encompassing all or parts of 12 Congressional Districts, she said. In California delegates are awarded to the candidates based on how well they do in the popular vote in a congressional district, and "if there is a big undercount, it could change the delegate count."
They need to count all of the votes.
The Courage Campaign should tackle this!
I was just listening to the news to find out that my vote will not count. I am tired of the BS. They want people to go out and vote and yet they don't have well-qualified/informed individuals working the poles.
Why don't they just count the vote how it was elected on the ballot and not ask for more then what we are electing to choose, makes no sense to me.
As long as I singed the rooster with my ID in hand and indicated what ballot I wanted and it was noted on the rooster, should be enough. The extra bubble should not be on the ballot for a vote to count. Voting should not be a technical process. I is a simple individual right and should not be confused with a brain transplant.
After all that effort, tonight, LATE, I hear on the news that I was supposed to mark "Democrat" or "American Independent" at the top of the ballot, and that if I did specify which, my vote would not be counted. Not only did I not select 'Democrat" at the top of the ticket, I don't recall seeing an area where I was supposed mark that.
Further, I told SEVERAL people manning those desks that I was a non-partisan voter. Not one single polling place worker told me I needed to mark Democrat (in addition to choosing the presidential candidate) in order for my vote to count. Do polling place workers receive any training whatsoever before being given these important jobs?
As to Clinton's campaign spokespersons thoughtless response to concerns about non-partisan voters being disenfranchised in Los Angeles County today, I can only say this: I WAS TRYING TO VOTE FOR CLINTON TODAY.
I am speechless. I will be in touch with various election official tomorrow, to ask a) what happened to my absentee ballot and b) to see if there is any way I can keep from being disenfranchised. I rather doubt it.
Disappointed to hear a lack of concern from Clinton campaign b/c disenfranchment of voters should be everyone's concern.
It proves that democracy in America is a "civilized" version of democracy in places like the Congo and Kenya. I would bet that the guy or guys who thought of this "bubble" are either supporters of the Clintons in the past or are current supporters of Clinton now. They found a legalese way of machete-ing off our voting arms. It's sneaky and ingenious. They knew that statistically a great percentage of people would overlook the extra, virtually hidden bubble. It all makes perfect sense, coming from legalese types that like to parse things like the word IS.
This ballot box issue has got to stop. What is wrong with us. Why do we let the government force things down our throats and we do nothing.
Another Republican in the white house will totally destroy this country. First the jobs go overseas, now we are being forced out of our homes because of the "Enron Housing" issue? What's next.....America WAKE UP!
Thanks,
Rikke
We need to find out who the poll workers WERE at these polling places, and see which precincts churned out the most bad "DTS" ballots.
We then need to ask voters reporting problems to describe the polls workers who gave them bad information, and determine whether they are volunteers or paid workers of any campaign.
I saw "caucus workers" in Nevada, in Hillary shirts, telling African American voters that they "couldn't register today" immediately after I saw the exact same poll workers register older white women. At least there, they were wearing the shirts and we knew what was up.
Same day registration was allowed in Nevada, just to make that clear.
I have not the slightest doubt that a systematic review would show that younger voters, men, and African Americans were massively and disproportionately affected by this.