Obama vs. Clinton: Did you hear the bad news?
Bad? Brilliant?
You can rate this post.
Register or login now and
tell us what you think.


The story is painfully unsurprising. More than 94,000 primary votes in Los Angeles County are in danger of not being counted because of a design flaw in the ballot.

The Courage Campaign is doing some of the legwork to insist that the votes be counted, but we're powered by you. Your signatures on our petition and your tales from the polls. I keep saying it, but the overwhelming response is both humbling and outrageous (as in, how can so many people have to do this in a functioning democracy?), but as Rick Jacobs discusses on the flip, adding your voice today can only make us stronger as we push forward.

From Rick:

We warned Los Angeles County about the impending trouble with the "double bubble." Now, the Sacramento Bee editorial board is calling it "a major voting disaster." And there is speculation that the outcome could change how many delegates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama receive in California.

94,500. That's roughly how many people in Los Angeles County voted for Obama and Clinton on Super Tuesday, only to see their votes rejected by the now infamous -- and fatally flawed -- "double bubble" ballot.

Here's the bad news: Despite a record-breaking turnout of 189,000 voters registered as "Decline-to-State" (DTS), Dean Logan, L.A.'s Registrar of Voters, is still refusing to physically hand-count these ballots, effectively disenfranchising 94,500 -- at least HALF -- of DTS voters because they didn't fill in an extra, redundant bubble before voting for President.

Time is running out to change Dean Logan's mind. Nearly 20,000 people have signed our "Count Every Vote" petition. Have you? Please sign it now and forward it to your friends immediately, so we can deliver as many signatures as possible directly to Dean Logan:

http://www.couragecampaign.org/CountEveryVote

Calling it "a major voting disaster" and a "raw deal" for Decline-to-State voters, the Sacramento Bee's editorial board puts "94,500" in perspective:

"The scale of disenfranchisement is huge - 94,500 of 189,000 decline-to-state votes. That's half of the nonpartisan ballots. By comparison, in the infamous Florida "butterfly ballot" debacle in the 2000 presidential election, 19,120 Palm Beach County ballots went uncounted because of the bad ballot design."

That's right. Five times as many voters are now being disenfranchised than in Palm Beach County's "hanging chad" catastrophe of 2000. The only difference is that Dean Logan, the L.A. County registrar, knew this would happen ahead of time -- because a lawyer for the Courage Campaign warned him in a detailed letter prior to the primary.

18,007 (and growing). That's the astounding number of people who have signed the "Count Every Vote" petition so far, building a movement for election integrity that could become our largest signature-gathering campaign ever. Sign your name, tell your friends, and demand that Dean Logan count every vote today:

http://www.couragecampaign.org/CountEveryVote

Excited by the race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, an unprecedented number of Decline-to-State voters rushed to the polls last Tuesday to vote in the Democratic Party primary. But at least HALF of these voters in Los Angeles County -- 20% of the electorate in the largest election jurisdiction in America -- are now finding out that their vote was rejected because they "failed" to fill out a meaningless bubble on a confusing ballot.

We don't know if -- as the Los Angeles Daily News speculated -- the "double bubble" debacle "could affect the number of delegates each candidate gets -- potentially determining the Democratic nominee for president." We do know that, no matter the speculation, we can't take one vote for granted:

Sign the petition. Spread the word. Count every vote:

http://www.couragecampaign.org/CountEveryVote

The stakes are high. And, with a deadline looming to certify the vote, time is short.

Your signature will help make sure the "double bubble" disaster does not disenfranchise independent voters inspired by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Please sign today so that we can bring the largest number of signatures possible directly to Dean Logan and remind him that the integrity of our elections -- and the faith of people in the process -- depends on counting every vote.

Thank you for taking a minute of your time to defend our democracy today.

Rick Jacobs
Chair

P.S. On Thursday, we told you about Julian H., a young man who told us his first vote "amounted to nothing" because he didn't fill in an irrelevant bubble. Julian wasn't alone in his disgust and disappointment. Hundreds of frustrated voters have contacted the Courage Campaign. Charles C., another first-time primary voter, just wrote the following to us about his Election Day experience:

"When I walked into the polling place, I was asked what party I was with. I told them I was an Independent. They asked me which party I was going to vote for, and I stated Democratic. They handed me a ballot and pointed me to a particular booth. Because this is the first time I have voted in a primary, I was really excited. When I saw my candidates name, I marked it and then moved on to the remainder of the ballot. I didn't know I had to mark Democratic again. I felt proud to cast my vote, but now feel like a fool knowing my vote will not be counted."

If you know of any "Decline-to-State" voters in Los Angeles like Charles or Julian, please send them to a special web page we have set up specifically for disenfranchised DTS voters:

http://www.couragecampaign.org/LosAngelesVotes

Reader Comments
  
Lawsuit
By Elliott D. Petty Feb 11th 2008 at 1:25 pm PST
When will the lawsuit be filed?

Is PFAW, NAACP, ACLU, Common Cause involved?
  
Refusing to count?
By Robert Earle Feb 11th 2008 at 1:27 pm PST
Could you please provide some support - a news article, a quote, a press release - to support your assertion that Dean Logan is "refusing" to count these ballots?

Because my guess is Mr. Logan would love to count them....if the clear intent of the voter could be discerned. But for a great number of these ballots, that is not going to be possible.

So, some support for your assertion, please.
Shouldnt be confusing at all?
By Elliott D. Petty Feb 11th 2008 at 1:53 pm PST
If a DTS voter showed up to the poll, reuested a democratic ballot, voted for a democratic candidate, then the intent is obvious, not just clear.

Its not as if the voter had choices between candidates of different parties.

Logan should count these ballots, not now, but right now!
Re: Shouldnt be confusing at all?
By Robert Earle Feb 11th 2008 at 2:52 pm PST
In LA county, a non-partisan voter does not receive a democratic ballot; they are given a non-partisan ballot.

What turns that non-partisan ballot into a vote for a Democrat (or a vote for an American Independent candidate) is the marking of the now infamous "bubble #6" (or bubble #5 in the AI case).

It is the marking of bubble #6 (or #5), or more accurately the failure to mark #6 or #5 that is the source of the problem. And it is that failure that will make determining the intent of the voter difficult if not impossible to discern. I ran through some of the details in the comments at another of the posts here.

Link
Re: Shouldnt be confusing at all?
By LJ Feb 11th 2008 at 3:53 pm PST
I've only been reading what I've been sent in emails and seen on this site, but if the problem is as serious as it sounds and the votes can't in fact be properly counted, can there possibly be a new election? And if that can't happen, if I lived out there, I would be organizing a really, really big (but peaceful) protest and getting lots of media attention. It's about time that these kinds of issues get taken out more into the public because otherwise it's just preaching to the choir and complaining to people who don't care and don't want it to change. Democratic higher-ups in the party should also be out there fighting for people's right to have their votes counted properly.
Re: Refusing to count?
By Julia Rosen, Online Political Director Feb 11th 2008 at 2:03 pm PST (Updated Feb 11th 2008 at 2:05 pm PST)
Sure. Here are a few links.

AP:
Link


County elections officials will now sample 1 percent of the flawed ballots to see how many were supposed to be counted in the Democratic or American Independent presidential primaries.

If the number is significant, there may be a way to count some of those flawed ballots, said Eileen Shea, a spokeswoman for the county elections office.



They are just sampling. We are requesting a full count.

Josh Richman over at his CCTimes blog :
Link


For my own part, however, the delegate count is a secondary concern. I think public officials should bend over backwards to make voting as simple to understand as possible and to ensure every vote is counted, whether it can tip a balance or not.



That is exactly the point we are making. They should count all of the votes that are possible to count, no matter the impact on the outcome.
Re: Refusing to count?
By Robert Earle Feb 11th 2008 at 2:37 pm PST
I still object to the use of the word "refusing".

What Mr. Logan has said, and what is reflected in the AP article, is that during the standard sample-audit, if they determine that the NP ballots in question might affect the delegate counts, they'll "exhaust every available option under state law to count cross-over votes on non-partisan ballots where the intent of the voter can be clearly and definitively determined."

Link

That may not be the answer you're looking for, and you may not like that answer, but it is a far, far cry from "refusing" to count the ballot. It is, in fact, a conditional acceptance of a review of the ballots.
Re: Refusing to count?
By Julia Rosen, Online Political Director Feb 11th 2008 at 3:09 pm PST
Right.

And the point we are making is that Logan is resisting counting all of the ballots, unless the sampling shows it could flip delegate counts. We want all possible ballots to be counted, regardless of what would happen with regards to the delegates. It is as Richman writes about the principle of the thing.
Re: Refusing to count?
By Robert Earle Feb 11th 2008 at 3:19 pm PST
Even if I accept your characterization that he is "resisting" (which is itself debatable), "resisting" is NOT "refusing".

My objection to the wording in your original post stands.
Re: Refusing to count?
By Eric Jaffa Feb 11th 2008 at 4:25 pm PST
They could allocate the votes to the Democratic Party candidates and the American Independent Party candidates based on the PERCENTAGE of members each party has in LA.

Instead, Secretary of State Debra Bowen says that since they can't determine if an indvidual ballot was for the Democratic Party candidates or American Independent Party candidate, all these ballots should be thrown out.
=============================
Link

Logically we know that most of these ballots were Democratic, because the number of American Independent Party voters is very small," Secretary of State Debra Bowen told the Times. "But in a democracy we don't guess what the voter's intent was."
=============================

No, Debra Bowen. You can allocate the votes based on percentage of people in LA who belong to each party.
  
Call Your LA County Supervisor
By Jonathan Feb 11th 2008 at 3:28 pm PST
I just called mine, Zev Yarslavsky (213) 974-3333. The county hired Dean Logan, and the county can fire Dean Logan. Let's let our elected officials know that we will be watching closely to see how this issue is resolved!!!
  
No Info On This On Sec of State Website
By Gillian Parrillo Feb 11th 2008 at 4:41 pm PST
I wrote a post on my blog the day before the election to ensure the DNS knew they could vote. I copied the info of the Sec of State website..nowhere was there anything about another bubble. This is an outrage. Why aren't we appealing to the Sec of State?
Re: No Info On This On Sec of State Website
By Robert Earle Feb 11th 2008 at 6:09 pm PST
I don't know what the Sec of State did or didn't have up on her web site, but I think it necessary to point out that each county in California is responsible for choosing its voting system. It is only (as far as I know) Los Angeles County that had the "double bubble" problem. So the better question might be 'what did Los Angeles County have on its web site?' with regard to non-partisan ballots and the "double bubble".

If you go to this web site...

Link

and put in a valid LA County address, you will be able to see sample ballots for each of the parties, as well as a booklet describing for non-partisans how to cast their ballot in the Democratic or American Independent primaries.

Each voter registered as non-partisan was to have received one of these booklets in the mail prior to the election. In addition, extra copies of the booklets were available on the tables at the polling places (although those tend to 'walk away' when poll workers give them to voters as reference, such that if you vote late in the day, the one booklet you're looking for might no longer be there.)

It is to a great extent the responsibily of the County Registrar's Office (the oft mentioned Dean Logan), rather than the Sec of State, to publish the needed info.

(Julia, maybe you guys could post sample ballots for the non-LA County residents to be able to look at, so they can better understand all the "Bubble #6, Bubble #5, Bubble #9 stuff?)
Re: No Info On This On Sec of State Website
By ukbywzs Jul 9th 2008 at 8:39 pm PDT
vfc6Zk iqvxhhybeohv, [url=Link, [link=Link, http://fycgcocxqnqr.com/
  
Voting Is Useless, Dont Vote Anymore!
By Richard Neva Feb 12th 2008 at 2:37 am PST
Voting is useless and a waste of time, it is rigged and the candidates are all war mongers and money grubbers that do nothing but breathe the air. Just dont vote!
  
gravel kucinich paul nader
By gravel kucinich paul nader Feb 12th 2008 at 7:54 pm PST
barack obama mike huckabee vs machine

huckabee obama:
we understand your disgust.
subversion of democracy.

know this:
gravel kucinich paul nader
will fight any ticket
with clinton or mccain on it.

your eyes & ears are open...

Mike Gravel Dennis Kucinich Dr Ron Paul Ralph Nader
united by truth elicit fear smear blacklist.

Too many lies,
democracy rising democracy now.
Rage against the machine.

Honesty compassion intelligence guts.

No more extortion blackmail bribery division.
Divided we fall.
  

Community Posts

Sex dating in barnsdall oklahoma
Posted Dec 02, 2008 4:28pm
by User from Brooklyn, NY
Comments (0)

Sex dating in barnoldswick yorkshire
Posted Dec 02, 2008 4:28pm
by User from Brooklyn, NY
Comments (0)

Sex dating in barnhart texas
Posted Dec 02, 2008 4:27pm
by User from Brooklyn, NY
Comments (0)

Read More >

Recent Comments

Credit repair: Helping you in times of trouble
I’m glad free credit repair assistance is ac...

What will we do during the Holiday Season despite of the Economic Crisis?
Today problems in different fields are very common...

Economic Crisis
The huge crisis in America is the biggest problem ...

Protest Display
I have been trying to come up with ways for people...

this is just a joke, right?
You're a comedian, right? Because you've got to be...


Blog Roll


Calitics
The Bayne of Blog
California Progress Report
California Majority Report
D-Day
DailyKos Down With Tyranny
Fog City Journal
High Speed Rail Blog
Left in SF
The Liberal OC
Living in the O
Michigan Liberal
MyDD
OB Rag
San Diego Politico
Square State
Surf Putah
Sweet Melissa